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    1. David Floyd on

      BIG12
      Texas
      TECH
      TCU
      BAYLOR
      OU
      OSU
      KU
      KSU
      ISU
      WVU

      PAC12
      Arizona
      ASU
      Colorado
      UTAH
      CAL
      Stafford
      USC
      UCLA
      Oregon
      Oregon St
      Washington
      Washington St

      Merger PAC16 or BIG16
      East: TEXAS, TECH, OU, OSU, KU, KSU, ISU, Colorado
      WEST: USC, UCLA, CAL, Stanford, Washington, Oregon, Arizona, ASU
      or
      East: TEXAS, TECH, OU, OSU, KU, ISU, Colorado, ASU
      WEST: USC, UCLA, CAL, Stanford, Washington, Oregon, Arizona, Utah?
      or
      East: TEXAS, TECH, OU, OSU, KU, KSU, ISU, RAPE U or Texas Christian
      West: USC, Stanford, UCLA, CAL, ASU, Arizona, Colorado, UTAH
      or
      East: TEXAS, TECH, OU, OSU, KU, KSU, ISU, Colorado
      WEST: USC, UCLA, CAL, Stanford, Washington, Oregon, Arizona, ASU

      PAC10/BIG SWC
      East: TEXAS, TECH, OU, OSU, KU
      West: USC, UCLA, CAL, ASU, Arizona

      BIG12/PAC12
      East: TEXAS, TECH, OU, OSU, KU, ISU
      West: USC, UCLA, CAL, Stanford, ASU, Arizona
      or
      East: TEXAS, TECH, OU, OSU, KU, Colorado
      West: USC, UCLA, CAL, Stanford, ASU, Arizona

      BIG/PAC14
      East: TEXAS, TECH, OU, OSU, KU, ISU, KSU
      West: USC, UCLA, CAL, Stanford, ASU, Arizona, Colorado

      BIG/PAC18
      East: TEXAS, TECH, OU, OSU, KU, ISU, KSU, WVU & Texas Christian
      WEST: USC, UCLA, CAL, Stanford, Washington, Oregon, Arizona, ASU, Colorado
      or
      East: TEXAS, TECH, OU, OSU, KU, ISU, KSU, Colorado, TCU or WVU or (Baylor-RAPE U)
      WEST: USC, UCLA, CAL, Stanford, Washington, Oregon, Arizona, ASU, UTAH
      or
      East: TEXAS, TECH, OU, OSU, KU, ISU, KSU, Colorado,
      WEST: USC, UCLA, CAL, Stanford, Washington, Oregon, Arizona, ASU

      BIG/PAC20:
      East: TEXAS, TECH, OU, OSU, KU, KSU, ISU, WVU, Texas Christian & UNLV or UNM?
      WEST: USC, UCLA, CAL, Stanford, Washington, Oregon, Arizona, ASU, Colorado, UTAH

      FACTS:
      1. Current PAC12 schools with the least value 1. Washington St, 2. Oregon St, 3. CAL/Stanford/Utah
      2. Current BIG12 Schools with the least value. 1 Baylor/RAPE U, 2. TCU, 3.KSU, 4. ISU ☹ Great School/Great Fans, 5. WVU because of location
      3. Networks will have a VOTE
      4. Presidents will have a VOTE
      5. State representatives will get involved. Especially in TEXAS, California, Oklahoma. To lesser extent Washington, Oregon, Kansas, and Arizona.
      – OU and OSU
      – TEXAS and TECH
      – UCLA and CAL
      – Arizona and ASU
      – KU and KSU
      – Washington and Washington St
      – Oregon and Oregon St
      6. It will be hard to ditch a public school over a private school
      7. Academics could matter… AAU, Tier 1, Research, Student Size, Endowment etc.
      8. PAC12 Network a failure
      9. Longhorn network is a failure
      10. For the BIG12 to break up it take 8 votes.
      11. Pac12 TV contract expires in 2024
      12. BIG12 TV contract expires in 2025
      13. Larry Scott is an idiot
      14. Good Multiple time zones.. BAD multiple time zones
      15. Pac12 viewership is down.

      MONEY:
      PAC12 schools earn $33 million (Tier 1, 2 & 3)
      BIG12 schools earn $38.8 million (Tier 1 &2)
      BIG12 Tier 3 deals average is $3 million for a total of $41.8 Million
      OU Tier 3 deal is $7 million, total $45.8 million
      TEXAS Tier 3 deal is $15 million, total $53.8 million
      USC & UCLA maybe Oregon could make between $5-10M, maybe more $15M in the Current Big12
      BIG12 average is $41.8 million compared to PAC12 $33 million
      TEXAS $53.8 Million is almost $20 Million more than any PAC12 school.
      These schools together should make more than the BIG10 or SEC.

      The Questions:
      1. Would the ACC or SEC pick up WVU, Texas Christian? Maybe
      2. Would the BIG10 add Oregon, Washington and Colorado? YES
      3. Would the BIG10 add KU and OU? YES
      4. WVU(Morgantown) is a hard travel location. But great environment. Would they want to be in a west coast conference? Being with TEXAS, OU, USC, UCLA… I would say YES
      5. Could there be PODS of 4/5?
      6. Championship game could be in Les Vegas or Cowboys Stadium or California somewhere.

      Let’s say, Washington/ Oregon/ USC/ UCLA, account for 70% of current PAC disbursements…
      Likewise, let’s say, Oklahoma & Texas account for 70% of current XII disbursements…
      That comes to a total of $3.9 billion, for 6 brands of: Washington (Seattle)/ Oregon (Portland)/ USC & UCLA (Los Angeles)/ Oklahoma (Oklahoma City)/ Texas (Dallas-San Antonio-Houston)…
      Now, adding AAU brands forming 14 to 16 members: Kansas (Kansas City)/ Colorado (Denver)/ Utah (Salt Lake City)/ Arizona (Phoenix)/ California (San Francisco-Oakland), totals 11 brands…
      There´s still room for Oklahoma to keep Oklahoma State/ Texas to keep Texas Tech, & Arizona to have Arizona State tag along, +2 spots…

      Oklahoma & Texas, already earn $48m./$53m. (respectively) vs $51m. for the Big10 (as of now) w/o expansion?
      And adding Washington, Oregon, California, USC, UCLA, Arizona, ASU, Utah, and the *66m residents. Then adding up *Colorado, Iowa State, Kansas, Kanas St, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, TEXAS, Texas Tech and 39m folks. That is 8 team divisions that Disney can place into a single league net, of give indy a contract to OU & USC. It should schools like OU & USC in the same ballpark as Alabama in 2023, of earning $65m for all rights by ESPN.

    3. Sportsball Network on

      What about actually merging the best teams from each conference? As someone who doesn’t have an allegiance to one team, i just enjoy watching good games. Something like USC vs KSU doesnt really get me excited. Realistically, the only B12 teams who actually drive big audiences are Texas, OU, OkSt and maybe: TT and TCU. At some point Texas/OU need to realize they are a LOT bigger and better then the other B12 teams…

    13. Christopher Foote on

      I think the idea ought to be to keep things geographically neutral. Expanding beyond a time zone isn't especially wise unless by doing so gives everyone some kind of advantage not otherwise available.
      If it were up to me (commissioner for a day) I would reorganize things to suit the present condition as follows:
      1. Atlantic Coast Conference: include Cincinnati, Notre Dame and Temple.
      2. Big Ten Conference: Include Colorado and W. Virginia.
      3. Big XII Conference: Include E. Carolina, Houston, Memphis, S. Methodist, Tulane, UCF and USF.
      4. Pacific-12 Conference: Include Boise St., Brigham Young, Hawaii, San Diego St. and U.N.L.V.
      5. Southeastern Conference: Include Clemson and Kansas.
      6. MAC: Include Army, Liberty, Massachusetts and Navy.
      7. MWC: Include Arkansas St., Louisiana Tech, N. Texas, S. Mississippi, Texas St.,Tulsa, UTEP and UTSA.
      8. C-USA and Sun Belt: merge.
      Independents: Connecticut and New Mexico St.
      In my opinion this is the only expansion really worth contemplating.

    15. Graydon Ryerse on

      What would u guys think of a pac 12 big 12 merger where u take 6 pac 12 teams and 6 big 12 teams and merge or 6 and 5 and add like boise state or a houston or a school like that?

    16. Lighthorse Lee on

      The problem with combining the big 12 and the Pac 12 is what to do with all the undesirable teams. Just combining conferences is never going to happen, a 22 team conference is a no go. Kicking teams out of conference is not an option as it would cause bad blood, and in general would not look good. The only real solution is to create a 12 team conference (just my opinion but that is the perfect number for a conference) And invite 6 teams from each conference to join a new conference. The Big 12 is easy, you don't invite 4 teams, WVU (geographic outlier), TCU (too small stadium) KSU (they bring nothing to the table) and ISU (see KSU). With the idea that maybe this new conference can steal a couple of good programs from other conferences, I would not immediately invite Texas Tech or Baylor. From the Pac the teams that immediately don't get an invite, Oregon State, Washington state, and Cal. None of which bring anything to a new conference, Cal lends itself to lots of political issues. Would not invite UCLA or Colorado. UCLA only because being a California state school they would likely stay with Cal and Colorado because when they let the Big 12 they basically told the Big 12 they more identified with California schools, not in and of itself a big deal, but they are terrible in all sports. The last school I don't invite is Stanford who is tied at the hip to Cal. That leaves Washington, Oregon, USC, Utah, Arizona and ASU joining Texas Oklahoma, OSU, KU, and possibly Tech and Baylor. The rest of those schools can do whatever they want with their respective conferences.

    18. Ian Anderson on

      A B12/P12 relationship could solve problems that each conference faces, especially the time zone & viewership one for the P12.

    19. Ubaldo Guzman on

      “Get rid of Cal and Stanford” smh… PAC-16 before BIG 16. The only “flashy and cutting edge” teams in the BIG 12 are Texas, Baylor, TCU, and OU. PAC-12 have Oregon, UW, WASU, USC, UCLA, Cal, Utah, Arizona St, and Stanford. All those teams have historically filled up their stadiums and been ranked. With that said, these past few years, the PAC-12 as a whole, has been lacking in talent on both the player side and coaching side ( Oregon and UW are exceptions but they haven’t won a championship). In my opinion, that is why stadium attendance has been effected the way it has. For example, look at Cal. When Tedford was at Cal, the stadium was consistently at capacity. When he left they had a TERRIBLE season and since then, attendance dropped significantly. Justin Wilcox has now built one of the best secondaries in the country at Cal and optimism is rising again. Chip Kelly at UCLA has been horrible and USC is an average team with amazing talent— reminds me of Texas. Even though the PAC-12 has struggled, with the exception of Oklahoma, the PAC-12 as a whole has produced more top tier NFL talent then the BIG 12 the last two decades. The BIG 12 and PAC-12’s enemy is the SEC and BIG 10. They have been sucking up talent. The BIG12 and PAC-12 need to be better because California and Texas are the biggest producers of football talent, and sadly, Texas, has forgotten how to develop their talent and California has forgotten how to recruit their talent. Still, Stanford and Cal, in the last decade or so, have produced more top tier NFL talent then Texas— not to mention that Cal beat Texas back-to-back in recent history— so keep that in mind when you say get rid of Stanford and Cal. PAC-12 and BIG 12 have a couching problem ( OU is the only exception) We need to merge as a whole, you can’t just say let’s take the PAC-12 South and also Oregon and UW along the way, haha what?? For one, doing that hinders with about five rivalries, and two, you can’t complain about the time difference and then take Oregon and UW the two most Western/Northern teams. I think the BIG 12 is about to be dismantled— don’t be surprised if OU and Texas both leave. Either to the SEC or to the PAC 12. Either that, or they merge which is ideal for both conferences.

    20. Samuel Austin on

      Oh yay my least favorite youtubers who make excuses when they lose to baylor and then turn around and say they want to kick baylor out of the big 12. i'm excited to hear what y'all have to say

    23. The Soccer Patriot on

      That makes no sense. Cal has one of the best attendances in the Pac 12. Its one of the more historic teams and becoming one of the best in Pac 12. I agree with Stanford though and others. Cal is also a bay area market which makes it have potential.

    24. Juice on

      I get they y’all are from the big12 footprint but you gotta be kidding me talking up the big12 like it’s not only Oklahoma and Texas that makes up that whole conference Stanford has been more relevant than Texas the past 10 years and usc brand carries weight. The pc12 gets more kids to the nfl than big12 Why would any pc12 team want to play in the big12 the reputation of the big12 is worst than pc12. The big12 best team is still at an elite level and yet the big12 rep is worst than pc12. The pc12 problem is our big brand team isn’t taking football serious and that’s why the pc12 rep is bad. Usc problem is usc not the conference it plays in. It’s la if your winning the stadium will be packed that’s how it goes when you have a million things to do. The big12 offers nothing if it’s not Texas and Oklahoma. All those pc12 teams you talking down on puts out more players to the nfl than most big12 teams. To me this sounds like y’all need the pc12 more than the pc12 needing the big12. Oh and the big12 doesn’t make more money. Name a team in the big12 that’s not Oklahoma or Texas that get attention. Cal and Washington state and Utah have been more relevant in the past 10 years than most big12 teams

    25. Juice on

      You guys have zero knowledge of pc12 almost everything that was said was bs. Pc12 was nothing since Pete carrol? What about Jim and Stanford chip with Oregon lane with usc last I checked the pc12 usually has more ranked teams than big12. Texas isn’t good winning 8 games isn’t good they have never gotten to a play off spot pc12 sent 2 teams big12 has Oklahoma and that’s it. Nobody else even gets close. Sad reality is the big12 will break up before the pc12 does. Nobody watches Kansas Kansas state Iowa state Baylor tcu wvu ok state Texas tech. That’s 80% of the big12. Those teams are no better than the lower level of pc12 teams. Big22 problem is the better Texas kids play in the sec and the big12 get stuck with the left overs and that’s why the big12 rep is it’s a soft conference. Oh and btw the state of Arizona produces better players than Oklahoma,Iowa, Kansas. So when you speak about geography you should mention that and they of the power 5 conferences the big13 send the least amount of kids to nfl EVERY YEAR

    26. BASESQSWSKY on

      BigPac

      East
      Texas
      Texas Tech
      Baylor
      TCU
      Oklahoma
      Oki state
      Kansas
      Kansas State
      Colorado
      Utah

      West
      USC
      UCLA
      Cal
      Stanford
      Arizona
      Arizona State
      Washington
      Washington St
      Oregon
      Oregon St

      SC & Texas will not leave behind Texas/Cali schools

    27. bendog69 on

      Revenue sharing is exactly why you were left behind in the last realignment. It's possible that someone would have wanted you if you didn't demand a bigger cut of the pie and to keep your pissant flavor-of-ESPN network. You don't seem to understand that equal splits promotes every team in the conference, which strengthens the lower end of the conference, which bolsters the entire conference. That's why the SEC commands massive TV contracts and the Big XII (except Texas) is relegated to Fox Regional. Drop the demand for a bigger piece of the pie. It might just save the Big XII. Nah, probably not.

    29. Matt Bennett on

      Texas needs to drop the long horn network. I really don't see that happening. Go independent Texas or. Make a new big 12 network.

    30. Daniel Marley on

      Big 12 Conference
      Oklahoma
      Texas
      Texas Tech
      Texas A&M
      Washington
      Oregon
      UCLA
      Stanford
      USC
      BYU
      Colorado
      Arizona
      Arizona State
      Boise State
      Utah
      Utah State

      Mountain West Conference
      Washington State
      Oregon State
      California
      Colorado State
      Baylor
      TCU
      Oklahoma State
      Nevada
      UNLV
      Air Force
      Wyoming
      San Jose State
      Fresno State
      San Diego State
      Hawaii
      New Mexico

      Big 10 Conference
      Missouri
      Iowa State
      Kansas
      Kansas State
      Penn Stats
      Ohio State
      Michigan
      Michigan State
      Indiana
      Illinois
      Purdue
      Northwestern
      Wisconsin
      Nebraska
      Minnesota
      Iowa

      Atlantic Coast Conference
      Cincinnati
      West Virginia
      Notre Dame
      Pittsburgh
      Syracuse
      Louisville
      Boston College
      Rutgers
      Maryland
      Virginia
      Virginia Beach
      UNC
      NC State
      Duke
      Wake Forest
      UConn

      Southeastern Conference
      Clemson
      Florida State
      Miami
      Kentucky
      Tennessee
      Vanderbilt
      South Carolina
      Georgia
      Florida
      Alabama
      Auburn
      LSU
      Ole Miss
      Mississippi State
      Arkansas
      Georgia Tech

      American Athletic Conference
      Memphis
      Houston
      UCF
      USF
      SMU
      Tulsa
      Army
      Navy
      Liberty
      East Carolina
      Louisiana Tech
      Marshall
      Appalachian State
      UAB
      Tulane
      Temple

    32. ShooterTX on

      I hate to break it to you, but Texas has been losing for the past 10 years in both sports (basketball & football) to schools like Baylor and TCU. If there is realignment, no one is going to accept the LHN or the lopsided payouts for UT anymore. The Longhorns best bet is to stay with the Big12 for as long as possible, or to go indy.
      If UT went independent, then the Big12 could easily grab back A&M, Colorado and others who left due to UT nonsense. It would also make it easier to grab ASU and maybe even USC… especially if indy Texas had an agreement with the Big12 similar to Notre Dame and the ACC… at least 6 games per year. As soon as you announce, WVU would probably jump ship at the first offer (likely from the ACC). Then we could backfill those 2 losses with ASU and Colorado… and then add A&M, Zona, USC and Utah to make it a 14 team conference.
      Yal go independent, and take the LHN with you… could be the best thing for everyone.

    34. Will Allen King on

      The California legislature forbids government money being spent un certain states, including some in the XII.

      That makes UCLA and UC pretty difficult.

      I think USC would be great, but I don't know that they come without another Calufornia, and that might just leave Stanford, which is not exciting.

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