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What about the Caveman and the "angry break your arm guy"?
I'm a white belt who is in good shape and have other mma background I was diffently that Spazzytastic guy. I noticed when I sarted some guys who been there longer then me blue belts would not like to roll with me cuz of those random passes and back takes that make them look bad but a purple belt would eat me alive and anything over that was just child's play I diff think blue belts should roll with new white belts for this and more reason to 🙂 good video but I don't see any brown belt from my school loosing to a non trained grappler on any floor 🙂
People who have no experience are the ones that you are most likely to face in a real confrontation.
Great Video Jason, like your stuff. Good point, there are also guys that are White belts, that are experienced grapplers. I also think when you get a Blue and beyond, there is a n expectancy to dominate if not tap those "under" your rank. And then sometimes it doesn't always go that way. It can have you reevaluate your ego. If you haven't don so you should also do a Video about grappling as you get older, for the 40 and older crowd.
Gracie Jiu Jitsu was invented to control the untrained spaz, and is precisely why it focuses on the basics that work no matter how big strong and/or spazzy the attacker is.
Your video reminded me of this clip: Dealing with the Untrained Individual in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu with Pedro Sauer
This is super true. I never really was the spastic type. If anything, I'm the kind of guy who's a bit too careful and worrying a bit too much about my technique, which gets me steamrolled by the more aggressive people from the shoot classes, who spend most of their time in the wrestling classes.
I don't mind rolling with people who spaz out. My biggest beef is with the douchebags who try to force techniques. Like, sure you're strong, and you can probably wring my hand off my obi when you got me in side and want to go for the americana, but it's a dick move. How about working on positioning and trying to get a technique I'm not already waiting for and bracing myself against?
What if they hurt you? I see your point about the learning benefits, but the opportunity cost of having to take time off to deal with an injury caused by a spazz might outweigh the benefits…
It is absolutely true that you have a higher possibility of getting hurt with the newer or new or spazzy guy because they usually rely on pure explosion and strength to grapple. The majority of my training injuries came from white belts.
It has nothing to do with confrontation on the streets. In a controlled setting, like where you train, its better to be cautious.
On the streets, you dont have to be on the ground with a spazzy guy!
im a spazzy white belt you talk about. im also heavy and strongish. i rolled with nice guy who was purple belt and damaged his ribs coz of having no style he could deal with. he told me to calm everything down and not muscle it. felt bad bout his rib but he was ok bout it.
I love your general message. Yes you will become a better grappler if you roll with different styles. But your conversation about the reality of the street is way off. Street fighters do not grapple – they seek to do damage. So when your blue belt was going after you – he was a spay grappler – NOT an attacker. There are lots of people who teach reality based self defence – seek out their knowledge
100% agree and I've always had the same philosophy.
The only time I wouldn't agree is for older grapplers. Once you start getting into your 50s, and especially 60s and up, I think you want to choose your training partners very carefully so that you can continue training for as long as possible.
I think "spazzy" matches are the most fun… sort of like a good, fast paced explosive wrestling match. A true test of will and physical strength… as opposed to the slow chess game that most grapplers seem to prefer. When I am going fast and hard its like muscle memory and experience take over, as opposed to me having to sit and think about every move. I wish higher level BJJ matches were more like wrestling matches or even more like beginners sparring. I guess a big part of the slower game associated with BJJ is the gi… the various grips and really slow stuff down.
great advice, 100% basics against spazzes, stick the meat and potatoes and weather the storm. i need to follow this advice
This is SO true. In grappling with only experienced grapplers, you forget how to defend against all the massively stupid crap that the inexperienced do so routinely. The problem is that when you do forget, this crap can be applied with significant athleticism and actually work! I try to remember that my main purpose for studying is to be able to defend myself and that most of those I'll likely defend myself against will be of this "inexperienced, spazzy" category. Combine that with size, strength and/or speed and it's something you have to continue to guard against, no matter how good you get on the mat.
To be honest I actually find it difficult to submit a new grappler that just uses force because they pull off unpredictable submission like a kimura or guillotine from your guard, but whenever I face a guy like that I just have to try harder.
i often think about how we spend all this time training to fight against other grapplers and how much of a difference it is to go against someone that isnt a grappler or that is completely unpredictable. all of your combinations based on predictable grappling habits go out of the window, and youre left with what i would imagine to be something more along the lines of a self defense scenario.
Always had this same opinion. Play it safe against the spazzy guys test your skill vs strength, dont expose yourself to any danger, wait for a sweep, get a top position on them and then grind them down. Like wild horses they gotta be broken in.
I often tell newbies to remember to breath and concentrate on a (1) technique. I remind them that they need to make it through the entire 5 minuets of the round, and not end up in the bathroom, throwing up half way through. Good stuff Jason . Thanks Man.
i tend to be really cautious while rolling with new people, i dont want to make any mistakes that could cause injury to myself or the person im sparring with great advice Jason!
There is at least one more reason to do this… Simply to "grow grappling" one ought to invest some time into newbies. And one as well learns some things by teaching… Great videos, great passion for grappling, Jason. Thanks a lot.
Jason I been in bjj for 5 mo and and haven't went for 2 mo. Now it's hit or miss because of work and one week out of the month I don't get to go at all. I'm ok but something r hard for me to get. Will it get better because I've never done any grappling before just stand up fighting arts. Please let me know if I'll ever get better
I'd never seen your videos on YouTube before but I dig a lot of the discussion in them. Good stuff
i agree on this idea… i am currently a purple belt and this idea on guys and gals that spazzs out when i roll with them has gotten me to rethink my position many times and thus making my escapes a whole lot better. but what about those who will not roll with you and avoid you like there's no tomorrow???
@Jason Scully, what is your opinion on rolling with the guys with the serious egos in your class? And there are various types of 'ego guys'…. but I'm more so talking about the guys that seem to almost turn into a different person while you get the better of them during various rolling sessions.
I agree to this even though I have been injured by spazzes and have seen top tier grapplers injured by spazzes (finger in the eye), therefore, I try to avoid them after an initial roll until I found counters for them. However, with that being said, I always learn ALOT from rolling with spazzes whether they are new or psychos. For me it helps knowing that I can find answers to counter their strengths. Unfortunately, alot of people are easily mentally defeated by a strong spaz, but as Jason Scully took the time to mention, it can be a blessing in disguise.
Love this video, Jason. Well thought out and spot on!
Yeah Jason, agree! Actually, I'd say if you want to thing self-defense entirely, no inverted or sport stuff. To those reading, that means deep half, too…which is known on the street as, "please smash my face as hard as you can,"-guard! 😉
In Judo and BJJ, the white belt is the most dangerous opponent.
Sounds like me, started 2 months ago
Beginners are fucking crazy…..I was teaching a beginner and he snapped my thumb off at right angles.I pulled my hand out and my thumb was pointing in the wrong direction….
The academy I train at has a lot of new spazzy white belt beginners and at first it threw me off but a purple belt told me to just relax and wait for the inevitable openings they create and now it's smooth sailing lol
Yeah im blue belt and i love it roll with new people, they are unexpected and always try to do something weird, maybe we can learn something new. In a real situation is that what we found.
What annoys me is whenever new students come to my gym and I roll with them they spazz crazy. So I just submit them or accidentally hurt them because they went to fast and I accidentally threw them on their head when they pulled guard and I lifted their belt. Then I keep getting in trouble and people think I am a bully. The new white belts complained about me being too rough. But I just so happen to be bigger and it is not my fault. They need to learn to relax and it was not my fault. It is quite annoying.
I sweep and mount spazzers. i educate them respectfully.
Now im going to look for a spazz to roll with in my class
How about the higher ranked spazes. Like the type of guy that has skill, but if he wants to rear naked choke you he will violently punch his arm through and then when he does that h will apply it so fast and apply it as a teeth lock when he could have just flowed to something else. Thats the kind of spaz that sucks the most. The skilled higher rank spaz.
I love rolling with the beginners. It’s like a real fight.
I do the same thing against the new guys. Get them in half guard, keep my base, and wait for them to wear themselves out. 2 minutes in they gas. All of them. Then I'll regain control in full guard and triangle, armbar, or scissor sweep and reverse it into mount with a cross collar choke. Jiu jitsu 101.
But sometimes you do not know the guy is a spaz until you get elbowed in the face! Too late!
I have an off-topic question related to spazzing: I'm a white belt and I was told a lot that I spaz out a lot. I've asked how do I not do that, and they always told me "don't spaz." I'm trying. But, that's easier said than done to me. Any advice on how not to spaz out when I roll and not hurt myself or anyone?