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Sorry, I'm the wierdo not using a drop away rest. Tried one, went back to the Whisker Biscuit. THE HORROR! LOL! I'm a fan of KISS (keep it simple stupid) for hunting setups. One less thing to worry about. I have two bows, both older Elites, use same arrows, same setups. I've been bowhunting and shooting bows for over 25 years, found a system I like. I know Dan says to ABT but sometimes if it ain't broke… 🙂
the fact that Bowman is coming with actual mathematics and science he automatically has a little more credibility over Josh lol I hate to say it but it's true he's 100% right about the fact that if you're shooting lighter arrow it slows down quicker it's like trying to bat a ping pong ball versus a baseball. sure the exit velocity will be quick with the ping pong ball but because the baseball has more mass it will hold velocity for longer. obviously there's more that comes into play like broadheads and shot placement. before I become too long-winded I just want to see both of you guys have a point and I think it comes down to personal preference. I think we got to get MythBusters involved here
Simple equation: KE = 1/2mv^2 — Following the math velocity has more effect on KE than mass. If you can shoot them higher velocity arrows matter more than heavier arrows. Plus, additional bonus, you get a flatter trajectory. I like to call it LASERs or Lawn Darts. LASERs are better and I'll take that any day over throwing logs. (Been there, done that.) With a fast bow, nice sharp broadhead, and a micro diameter arrow you can blow through pretty much anything.
Nope, no drop away…Whisker Biscuit all day long…
Shooting sticks. I’d rather shoot through an animal rather than just to an animal
I'm sitting at a 29.5 inch arrow, 300 spine, 50 grain insert and 100 grain broadhead, w a nocturnal knock, and I'm sitting at 475 grains. Believe I'm at 65lb draw. Just had these made yesterday. Is 12% foc not enough? Should I go 125 grain head 14% foc?
MMJJ. I need you to send me a pause 4 set at 30.5 draw so I can update from my hori-zone vulture that I have tuned to the best and can nail at 22.4 meters but reall need to fulfil my dreams with a phase 4 set up by you. Thanks for all your unbais info I have leaned over the last 6 months of compound bows. My horoscope-zone is a joke to all of you but it’s all I got. I’m not into hunting koalas and wombats but to will kill every fox and rabbit on my property. All the help I can get would be much appreciated. Love your work!
Very good information. @MFJJ I am still using a biscuit for now. I just bought a new Bear Legit and getting the timing set right and getting rid of the nasty tears in paper bare shaft tuning. I think I got it figured out though. Probably graduate to a QAD here soon. It will be my first drop away rest. So I'll be like the big kids. LOL.
Genuine question. How many large animals (ie. elk, moose) have you taken MFJJ? How many have you wounded?
One thing MFJJ doesn’t mention is the lighter your arrow the LOUDER your bow upon release and the louder in flight. Sound is what spooks game. Consider vane choice and a non vented broadhead to make your arrow quiet through the air. Additionally, the time difference in air between let’s say at 50 yards between a 280 grain arrow and a 250 grain arrow is minuscule. The noise of the bow releasing and arrow in flight is what spooks wary game such as whitetail. Large game are way less prone to string jump.
Light arrows will shed velocity much faster than heavier ones and upon a heavy bone impact will perform much less ideally.
FYI I shoot over 650 grain arrows with single bevel broadheads and have had double digit pass through on large game.
Know your range and the trajectory of your arrow won’t matter. Get as close as possible and take responsible shots.
Im shooting a 28” DL 60 pound draw. 420 grain arrow at 272 fps with a muzzy or slick trick fixed BH. What do you guys think about that setup for deer and elk?
Good discussion, my takeaway is somewhere in the middle is perfect. I started off shooting sub 400 grain arrows, drank the Ashby koolaid and built 600 grainers, and now I’m dialed back to about 540. My next setup will likely be right at 500. That feels like a sweet spot between acceptable velocity/trajectory, and penetration.
Take a straight clamp offset bump to arrow and mark the contact gently arc that area on a belt sander boom helical
Man why you always gotta dog my whisker biscuit 😂 just switched to a hamskea so I could quit feeling attacked by you all the time 😂👍🏼
The amount of drag force added by a lighter arrow going faster is pretty negligible for penetration on a 60#-70# bow at hunting ranges. The trajectory and speed make you way more deadly than some ridiculous heavy slow arrow unless you’re shooting huge diameter expandable. Mathew’s and MFJJ know what they are talking about when they say KE is the main thing that matters. I have a mechanical engineering background and it’s hilarious hearing all these people swear by 550gn arrows.
Ive tried heavy and slow and I've tried light and fast. Light and fast is what killed more for me. Animals move. They move alot, especially when they hear something weird. And with a 400 grain arrow I've had full pass through 4/5 times. Which is the same pass through rate i had with 550gr. And the animal ducking the arrow was 50/50 with 550gr. And zero with 400 gr.
Clown show. Whether hunting whitetail back east, or elk out west, I’ve killed a pile of critters with a 392 gr total arrow weight at over 300 fps and no foc and all that other bs guys are doing. The critical part is having a tuned bow and a good fixed head
MFJJ, I am currently using an original whisker biscuit. Just thought you should know
Great conversation. I’m on team Iron Will Bill. 💪🏼
Ya we’re all aiming at the shoulder,😂 good god the horse is dead already.
So I understand what FOC is but I haven't seen anyone explain why there is so much emphasis on it. Is it penetration, is it accuracy, is it only important long range ect. Also how much difference does it make. Most people make extreme changes to gain or loose a few percent. My main goal is a tighter pin gap and I can do that by going from brass to aluminum for my insert and I think that would change my foc from around 13.5% to 11% what is more benificial? Foc or trajectory? For reference i shoot a lift 33 31 inch draw at 80lb 80% let off with a 30" sonic 250 total weight 470g with 50g insert 100g tip.
Hello, I am left handed. I’ve often thought of the helical on the arrow. With me being left handed should I be fletching my arrows with a left helical??